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“My son,” said the Norman Baron, “I am dying, and you will be heir
To all the broad acres in England that William gave me for share
When he conquered the Saxon at Hastings, and a nice little handful it is.
But before you go over to rule it I want you to understand this:–“The Saxon is not like us Normans. His manners are not so polite.
But he never means anything serious till he talks about justice and right.
When he stands like an ox in the furrow – with his sullen set eyes on your own,
And grumbles, ‘This isn’t fair dealing,’ my son, leave the Saxon alone.“You can horsewhip your Gascony archers, or torture your Picardy spears;
But don’t try that game on the Saxon; you’ll have the whole brood down round your ears.
From the richest old Thane in the county to the poorest chained serf in the field,
They’ll be at you and on you like hornets, and, if you are wise, you will yield.“But first you must master their language, their dialect, proverbs and songs.
Don’t trust any clerk to interpret when they come with the tale of their wrongs.
Let them know that you know what they’re saying; let them feel that you know what to say.
Yes, even when you want to go hunting, hear ’em out if it takes you all day.They’ll drink every hour of the daylight and poach every hour of the dark.
It’s the sport not the rabbits they’re after (we’ve plenty of game in the park).
Don’t hang them or cut off their fingers. That’s wasteful as well as unkind,
For a hard-bitten, South-country poacher makes the best man- at-arms you can find.“Appear with your wife and the children at their weddings and funerals and feasts.
Be polite but not friendly to Bishops; be good to all poor parish priests.
Say ‘we,’ ‘us’ and ‘ours’ when you’re talking, instead of ‘you fellows’ and ‘I.’
Don’t ride over seeds; keep your temper; and never you tell ’em a lie!!”
No, Mr Stewart, YOU need to listen to US
I WAS at the latest Spectator Brexit debate (somehow I feel not the last) yesterday evening, which was a sparkling encounter between Dominic Raab and Rory Stewart. And the audience.
The impressive and engaging Mr Stewart asked for shows of hands on firstly how people voted (out of some 300 there, all bar a few claimed to have voted out) and of those who voted out how many would prefer a no-deal Brexit to Mrs May’s fudge. He was visibly shaken when that was over 70 per cent. And then, in a colossal error that is typical of the whole process, he then proceeded to lecture the audience. Being Spectator readers, they were well-mannered and refrained from heckling but when invited to contribute made it clear that they didn’t appreciate Mr Stewart’s instruction to listen to him explain why Mrs May’s deal was the best available option. He identified eight such options currently being mooted in Parliament and, reasonably, pointed out that inevitably seven of those could not survive and the only one that that might command a majority was Mrs May’s.
Rory’s main arguments were that no-deal would make life hard for the UK automotive industry as car parts crossed the Channel four times in the process of manufacture. No idea where that number came from, but it seemed to escape him that this means any obstruction to the free movement of goods will hurt the EU just as much. By contrast Mr Raab pointed out that there remains time to negotiate a transition period for no-deal, and indeed time to stockpile those things that are vital for the nation to minimise the disruption to the nation so that such a deal is not vital. He also noted that our major export (financial services, not the lamb produced by some of Mr Stewart’s Cumbrian constituents) has already found a way round Brexit by incorporating in the EU.
Indeed the tragedy of Rory’s position was that while he stated that it was inconceivable that the UK could be trapped in a long backstop against its will, as it is the second-largest economy in the EU and by far the most militarily capable (and yes, he did liken Brexit to the Civil War), he could not see that is precisely the fact that makes no-deal, erm, no big deal. He kept beseeching us to listen to him; what he needed to do was listen to us. But he’s not that humble. Or wise.
Points made from the floor covered sovereignty and the capability of British business to generate sales internationally (a fact known to all except CBI). The best question came from a young man who asked quite how Messrs Raab and Stewart proposed to solve the complete crisis that Parliament has created for itself. Given its spectacular ineptitude why would anyone bother to vote? He refrained from adding that taxation without representation generally ends badly.
When I voted out, the options on the paper were in or out. If there had been a box labelled ‘whatever Parliament decides in its meaningful vote’ I would not have chosen it – and few others would have done either. We had a referendum precisely because Parliament could not agree. It became involved only while the Tories faffed about replacing the (disgraceful) Cameron. The moment Parliament put itself back in the process with its ‘meaningful’ vote (which is actually not meaningful, but I digress) it completely undermined the negotiators as the remain campaign and its acolytes asserted (on the basis of precisely zero evidence) that a no-deal Brexit was not what we voted for and would bring forth a plague of Frogs. So the EU has played hardball.
When Mrs May’s plan is voted down, as it surely must be, Parliament needs to look across the Channel at what can happen when governments lose their democratic mandate. Its meaningful vote will have scuppered the only deal on offer, so that’s no-deal then. It then needs to send someone to Brussels to say ‘I told you the offer was not enough. We’re now working on the basis of no-deal. Happy to talk about process for implementation, but we’re off.’
If Parliament tries to create a deal (which it can’t without the EU), or further constrain the process as Mr Grieve wants (called kicking the can down the road), or scupper Brexit completely or even just impose a second referendum and a relaunch of Project Fear 3 (or is 4 – I forget) it needs to remember Kipling’s Saxon.
The Saxon is not like us Normans. His manners are not so polite.
But he never means anything serious till he talks about justice and right.
When he stands like an ox in the furrow – with his sullen set eyes on your own,
And grumbles, ‘This isn’t fair dealing,’ my son, leave the Saxon alone.
I’ve quoted it before in this context, and make no apologies for doing so again. Mrs May and the coterie of fools in Westminster are a long way from plain dealing. Parliament asked the country what it wanted, and got a considered and crystal-clear answer. It then put itself into the process, and by doing so interrupted it. It now needs to get out of the way or be trampled by the Brexit Ox.
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With an avg. 1.2M voters per MEP & Britain with 16% of EU GDP and 13% of the EU’s population yet having only 8% (if united) say, whilst holding less than 3% of the various offices within the EU Do note The EUropean Parliament has no ability to make policy and has a Commission of unelected bureaucrats, thus clearly the EU is not even a pretence of being a democracy despite its protestations!Do note that many senior apparatchicks and even elected politicians speak openly of the ‘Post Democratic era’ with no sense of shame or irony and in complete contempt of the so called electorate – yet The EU & many of its vassal States/Regions are all too willing to slaughter people in Sovereign States, to impose The EU’s chosen brand of democracy on them!Now as President Junker announced in his ‘State of the union’ speech 2017 the aim is to create an EU military force and centralise ever more of the decision making and control!
The imposition of a Government and policies upon its vassal regions such as the peoples of Greece shows just how far from being a democracy the EU is.
Just follow the recent EU display of so called ‘Democracy’:
France and the Netherlands voted against the proposed EU constitution in 2005, only to have those votes ignored.
Ireland voted against ratifying the Lisbon treaty in 2008, but then later under pressure & threats had to change its mind.
Greece for me was the final straw. It became clear in 2015 that it didn’t matter which way the Greek people voted. The birthplace of democracy had become its tomb. That was enough. I was going to vote to leave the EU when the chance came.No political party of any significance in Britain took active steps to achieve a Referendum – the task was eventually taken by an Indipendent West Midlands MEP Nikki Sinclaire who personally launched and funded the gathering of a petition of 225,000 signatures delivered to Parliament via Downing Street, thus forcing a debate in the House of Commons on an IN/OUT Referendum, which led to David Cameron’s first consequential rebellion.
It was due to winning that debate, officially opposed by every party including Ukip that David Cameron was forced to include a promise of an IN/OUT Referendum in the Tory Manifesto at the next General Election. The rest is history & despite no Parliamentary Party backing the OUT vote & Government spending Millions of Pounds of public money leafletting & promoting ‘Project Fear’ to try to persuade the British people to Remain just as they had at the first Referendum in 1975 – This time their lies and threats were not heeded and in the largest vote in British history Britain voted by a clear majority to Leave.
Nikki Sinclaire’s OUT result left Cameron & his co conspirator Osborne with no option but to resign, sadly some of the other traitors have remained to try to hinder progress to BreXit, aided by their corrupt allies in the EU and \eu funding and bribes!
There will be little or no change in Britain’s economic position, if we leave the EU, using a better negotiated, customised & updated version of the ‘Norway Model’ as a stepping stone to becoming a full member of the Eropean Economic Area, where all will benefit, as we secure trade relations with the EU’s vassal regions, with an EFTA style status and can trade and negotiate independently on the global stage, as members of The Commonwealth and the Anglosphere.
This is of course dependent on a modicum of intelligence on the part of Britain’s politicians and negotiators but it also requires the integrity of Parliament to uphod democracy and the integrity of EU politicuians & apparchicks to act ethically and without their normal vindictive mallice.
I believe Leaving the EU will be turned into something of a rough ride by the ignorant and the corrupt but I have no doubt that in the long run Leaving the EU will prove conclusively to be in the best interests of Britain and our true allies. I also believe that Britain leaving the EU will prove to be the catalyst to great changes within the EU and hopefully its democratisation as without great changes it is indubitably doomed.
Do not overlook the fact that politicians have plotted and schemmed since the 1950s and we have actually been vassals of the EU, when it was still using the aesopian linguistics and calling itself The Common Market in the early 1970s, a name the bureaucrats arbitrarily changed to EUropean Union in the early 1990s as they worked towards their long term goals of an ever closer centrally controlled Political and economic Union with its own anthem, currency, flag and rigid central control by its self appointed bureacrats towards a new Empirate –
It will take many years to rectify the mess our political class got us into and we have no other peacefull means by which to extricate ourselves than to depend on that self same self styled elite, who all too often forget they work for us!
One huge benefit of BreXit will be that we can negotiate with bodies like the WTO, UN, WHO, IMF, CODEX and the like, directly, in our own interest and that of our partners around the world, in both the Commonwealth and the Anglosphere at large; rather than having negotiations and terms imposed by unelected EU bureacrats and their interpretation of the rules handed down, as if they were some great achievement of the EU’s!The greatest change and benefit will be political, as we improve our democracy and self determination, with the ability to deselect and elect our own Government, with an improved Westminster structure, see >Harrogate Agenda<.How we go about the process of disentangling our future wellbeing from the EU is laid out in extensive, well researched and immensely tedious detail see >FleXcit< or for a brief video summary CLICK HERE
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