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Hi,

even Owen Jones’ comments have followed the old maxim of ‘even a broken watch is right sometimes if you look at it’, when he said:

Whatever the rights and wrongs of a second referendum, the official People’s Vote is an absolute disaster, has undermined the case for another vote, and if there is one and they run the Remain campaign, we might as well chalk up a second Leave victory now”

The New Statesman also went into attack mode with a quote from a ‘senior Labour insider’:

“People’s Vote campaign has a worst of all worlds strategy. It’s fronted in the media by Blairites who are deeply unpopular with voters but knew how to win stuff. Its back room is run by Milibandites who are less elitist but don’t know how to win stuff.”

Predictably, second referendum-backing MPs like Sarah Wollaston have been getting hilariously flustered by the criticism, with Steven Doughty even trying to pin it on a right-wing conspiracy. Including that well-known right-wing agitator Owen Jones…

Losers Referendum campaigners are still in denial about three basic facts:

firstly there isn’t a majority in Parliament for a second referendum, as significant numbers of Labour MPs will oppose one,

secondly there isn’t a majority for a second referendum in the country, as Britian’s leading pollster John Curtice exposed yesterday, in The Telegraph CLICK HERE.

Thirdly, sending Tony Blair out as your spokesman on the slopes of Davos nor giving him ANY media exposure is not going to change the first two facts in their favour …

For as long as Tony Blair, Alastair Campbell, The Millipieds, Corbyn, John Major, Paten, Cable and most of the media are clamouring for a Losers Referendum to overturn the Peoples Vote of 2016 it is a lost cause – the political input is all from failed politicians considered rejected by their own parties and their electorate they are like the media and are trusted by about as far as the public can kick them.

The Campaign For A People’s Vote On Brexit Has Descended Into Infighting And Splits

The Labour party is increasingly being turned off a second referendum because of the internal rows between leading Remainers, MPs have told BuzzFeed News.

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With just over two months to go until the UK is due to leave the European Union, the campaign for a second Brexit referendum is deeply divided over how to achieve its goal, multiple sources on the campaign have told BuzzFeed News.

Pro-Remain MPs and officials on the People’s Vote campaign are split on the overarching strategy of how to secure a public vote, on campaign events and tactics, whether People’s Vote should run the Remain campaign if a second referendum is called, and over the actions and motivations of its leading politicians, the sources said.

The ongoing internal wrangling is making it less likely that the Labour party will ultimately back a public vote, a shadow minister and a senior Labour backbencher told BuzzFeed News.

The principal division among People’s Vote advocates is over when to begin their main push for a second referendum, a disagreement that has dominated the weekly meetings of the Grassroots Coordinating Group chaired by Labour MP Chuka Umunna for months.

People’s Vote MPs, including Tories Sarah Wollaston and Phillip Lee, and Labour’s Paul Williams, are seeking to table an amendment to the government’s motion next Tuesday that would formally call for a public vote. Lee is said to be determined to proceed with the amendment next week despite attempts by colleagues to dissuade him today.

Senior officials on the campaign, including its chair Roland Rudd, oppose tabling the amendment so soon, believing they would benefit from a more patient strategy.

Tory MP Sarah Wollaston

Tory MP Sarah Wollaston
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“Chuka [Umunna], Wollaston and others have been pushing since before Christmas to put a marker down for a referendum as soon as possible, put forward the amendment at the earliest opportunity, arguing it doesn’t matter if we lose, we can have another go at it,” a People’s Vote source told BuzzFeed News. A spokesperson in Umunna’s office said he is “not of a fixed position on the timing of a People’s Vote amendment”.

The plan for an imminent amendment is being resisted by strategists on the campaign. When MPs privately floated tabling the second referendum amendment at the meaningful vote on the Brexit deal, they were “overruled” by senior officials at a meeting in which “voices were raised”, according to a source present.

The officials opposed to tabling the amendment argued they would lose the vote and demonstrate that there is not currently a majority in parliament for a second referendum, showing their hand and throwing away any momentum for the campaign. One senior source on the campaign said tabling the amendment now would be “stupid” and that the campaign had “lost control of its MPs”.

Instead, they have called for a “last man standing” policy, in which the People’s Vote campaign focuses on “knocking off the table” other options such as a no-deal Brexit and the so-called Norway plus proposal for a soft Brexit. Tory MP Nick Boles, who backs the Norway plan, has accused People’s Vote backers Alastair Campbell and Tom Baldwin of running a “scorched-earth approach” against supporters of a soft Brexit. A Labour MP who supports the Norway model told BuzzFeed News that they were being “pummelled into submission” by the People’s Vote campaign.

When Wollaston revealed plans of her amendment to the press on Tuesday, rival pro-EU MPs Caroline Lucas, Jo Swinson, and Bridget Phillipson used a People’s Vote event to slap down her proposal and call for a delay. “I want to make sure that when we get to the point of having a vote on securing a referendum, it is at the point when we have the greatest prospect of success,” Phillipson said.

A senior source on the campaign confirmed the internal conflict. “There is a genuine disagreement on what to do. It has not been resolved and may not be resolved,” they said, adding that the campaign would never be able to “centrally enforce unanimity”.

Alastair Campbell

Alastair Campbell
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A spokesperson for the People’s Vote campaign said: “It is up to MPs what amendments they table and when. A People’s Vote will probably not secure a majority in the House of Commons until every Brexit option has been exhausted but that there will be multiple opportunities in Parliament to give the public the final say when it has become clear this is the only way forward.”

The second significant split within People’s Vote is over whether it should attempt to run the Remain campaign if there is a second referendum.

The campaign’s data, which according to two sources includes an email list of more than 750,000 people, is held by Open Britain, the successor to Britain Stronger in Europe, the official Remain campaign at the 2016 referendum.

Many senior figures at People’s Vote believe they should lead the Remain campaign at a second vote. “It would be inconceivable that a lot of the same people would not be involved,” one said.

But other second referendum campaigners are adamant that the politicians and strategists at People’s Vote should not be anywhere near another Remain campaign. “There is absolutely no way the Blairite faction can be allowed to run the campaign at a second referendum,” said one prominent pro-Remain campaigner for a public vote, adding: “We’d lose 70–30.”

An official on the People’s Vote campaign agreed: “The next Remain campaign would have to be broader and not led by MPs. But there is obviously a difference of opinion over that.”

The day-to-day activities of People’s Vote MPs have also caused tensions. A Conservative source said the launch of a new second referendum campaign called Right to Vote by Tory MPs Philip Lee, Heidi Allen, and Sam Gyimah last week was not approved by People’s Vote. They said it was viewed as hubristic on the part of Lee. The source added that there has been a breakdown of control within the campaign and questions internally about its strategy in recent weeks.

Meanwhile, the decision last week of 71 Labour MPs to announce their support for a second referendum at an event attended by only 36 MPs infuriated senior campaign officials, who felt that publicly revealing how few Labour MPs back the campaign was a strategic blunder.

Another fissure has emerged over the future of the campaign after a second referendum. According to several campaign sources, a number of People’s Vote MPs see it as a vehicle for setting up a new centrist party.

Labour MP Chuka Umunna

Labour MP Chuka Umunna
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The sources said Chuka Umunna was widely viewed on the campaign and among Labour colleagues as harbouring ambitions to form a new party, and that MPs keen on the idea have attempted to use the People’s Vote campaign to launch attacks on Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour party’s Brexit policy.

Umunna’s spokesperson insisted the idea he is using People’s Vote to start a new political party was “nonsense”, adding: “Those who suggest that the People’s Vote campaign is being used to launch a new political party do so because they are against cross-party working and prefer an outdated style of tribal politics.”

Those exploring forming a new party are opposed by other senior campaign figures. Tony Blair, Campbell, and Baldwin are not using People Vote as a forerunner to a new party and have been “trying to calm down the attacks” on the Labour party, according to a senior source on the campaign. Rudd, meanwhile, has argued that People’s Vote needs to work with the Labour leadership to convince them to back a second referendum.

Another source on the campaign said People’s Vote had attempted to expand its board with a series of non-MP appointments to make it “more diverse” in recent weeks, with the aim of blocking MPs from using it to establish a new party. These appointments have caused a “fight” with MPs, the source said.

Other rows have broken out over the involvement of senior figures seen as toxic by campaign colleagues. When Blair appeared on the BBC Radio 4 Today programme last week, Michael Chessum, who leads the Another Europe Is Possible campaign for a public vote, tweeted: “Oh great. I hear Tony Blair has been put up on the Today programme again as the voice of People’s Vote. Why don’t we all just give up and go home?”

Rudd’s decision to appear on the programme live from Davos on Tuesday morning caused disbelief among colleagues who feared the appearance made the campaign look out of touch.

The issues with the People’s Vote campaign are not helping to convince Labour MPs to back a second referendum.

Labour shadow minister Melanie Onn
Labour shadow minister Melanie Onn
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The shadow housing minister Melanie Onn announced on Monday that she would resign from the Labour frontbench if Corbyn backed a public vote. “I am not in favour of a People’s Vote and will not vote for it. If it comes before parliament as it is expected to in the next few days/weeks, I will instead vote for a better Labour deal,” she said.

At a meeting of the Parliamentary Labour Party last night, one MP told the room that if Labour endorsed a second referendum it was in danger of going the same way as Scottish Labour party, which haemorrhaged support after the independence referendum in 2014.

A shadow minister told BuzzFeed News: “The second referendum campaign has totally overplayed its hand and is driving more Labour MPs to strongly oppose it. There are more and more of us on the frontbench saying to each other that we just will not support a second referendum.”

They added: “The mood on the backbenches is shifting too. Last night’s PLP had a lot of colleagues coming out and saying no second referendum and instead let’s find a way that brings the country together and lets us get on with dealing with the issues we actually got into politics for.”

Labour MP Lucy Powell told BuzzFeed News she did not rule out supporting a second referendum if all other options were exhausted, but that colleagues were being turned off the idea.

“We’ve passed peak People’s Vote,” she said. “They’ve done a really good job of getting what was really a very far out there proposition and turning it into a mainstream idea that people are calling for. But since conference, I think two things have happened. Labour MPs who have got reservations about a second referendum began feeling more confident about expressing that to each other. And the aggressive nature of the second referendum campaign has put off colleagues, pushing people away.”

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With an avg. 1.2M voters per MEP & Britain with 16% of EU GDP and 13% of the EU’s population yet  having only 8% (if united) say, whilst holding less than 3% of the various offices within the EU Do note The EUropean Parliament has no ability to make policy and has a Commission of unelected bureaucrats, thus clearly the EU is not even a pretence of being a democracy despite its protestations!
Do note that many senior apparatchicks and even elected politicians speak openly of the ‘Post Democratic era’ with no sense of shame or irony and in complete contempt of the so called electorate – yet The EU & many of its vassal States/Regions are all too willing to slaughter people in Sovereign States, to impose The EU’s chosen brand of democracy on them!

Now as President Junker announced in his ‘State of the union’ speech 2017 the aim is to create an EU military force and centralise ever more of the decision making and control!

The imposition of a Government and policies upon its vassal regions such as the peoples of Greece shows just how far from being a democracy the EU is.

Just follow the recent EU display of so called ‘Democracy’:
France and the Netherlands voted against the proposed EU constitution in 2005, only to have those votes ignored.
Ireland voted against ratifying the Lisbon treaty in 2008, but then later under pressure & threats had to change its mind.
Greece for me was the final straw. It became clear in 2015 that it didn’t matter which way the Greek people voted. The birthplace of democracy had become its tomb. That was enough. I was going to vote to leave the EU when the chance came.

No political party of any significance in Britain took active steps to achieve a Referendum – the task was eventually taken by an Indipendent West Midlands MEP Nikki Sinclaire who personally launched and funded the gathering of a petition of 225,000 signatures delivered to Parliament via Downing Street, thus forcing a debate in the House of Commons on an IN/OUT Referendum, which led to David Cameron’s first consequential rebellion.

It was due to winning that debate, officially opposed by every party including Ukip that David Cameron was forced to include a promise of an IN/OUT Referendum in the Tory Manifesto at the next General Election. The rest is history & despite no Parliamentary Party backing the OUT vote & Government spending Millions of Pounds of public money leafletting & promoting ‘Project Fear’ to try to persuade the British people to Remain just as they had at the first Referendum in 1975 – This time their lies and threats were not heeded and in the largest vote in British history Britain voted by a clear majority to Leave.

Nikki Sinclaire’s OUT result left Cameron & his co conspirator Osborne with no option but to resign, sadly some of the other traitors have remained to try to hinder progress to BreXit, aided by their corrupt allies in the EU and \eu funding and bribes!

There will be little or no change in Britain’s economic position, if we leave the EU, using a better negotiated, customised & updated version of the ‘Norway Model’ as a stepping stone to becoming a full member of the Eropean Economic Area, where all will benefit, as we secure trade relations with the EU’s vassal regions, with an EFTA style status and can trade and negotiate independently on the global stage, as members of The Commonwealth and the Anglosphere.

This is of course dependent on a modicum of intelligence on the part of Britain’s politicians and negotiators but it also requires the integrity of Parliament to uphod democracy and the integrity of EU politicuians & apparchicks to act ethically and without their normal vindictive mallice.

I believe Leaving the EU will be turned into something of a rough ride by the ignorant and the corrupt but I have no doubt that in the long run Leaving the EU will prove conclusively to be in the best interests of Britain and our true allies. I also believe that Britain leaving the EU will prove to be the catalyst to great changes within the EU and hopefully its democratisation as without great changes it is indubitably doomed.

Do not overlook the fact that politicians have plotted and schemmed since the 1950s and we have actually been vassals of the EU, when it was still using the aesopian linguistics and calling itself The Common Market in the early 1970s, a name the bureaucrats arbitrarily changed to EUropean Union in the early 1990s as they worked towards their long term goals of an ever closer centrally controlled Political and economic Union with its own anthem, currency, flag and rigid central control by its self appointed bureacrats towards a new Empirate –

It will take many years to rectify the mess our political class got us into and we have no other peacefull means by which to extricate ourselves than to depend on that self same self styled elite, who all too often forget they work for us!

One huge benefit of BreXit will be that we can negotiate with bodies like the WTO, UN, WHO, IMF, CODEX and the like, directly, in our own interest and that of our partners around the world, in both the Commonwealth and the Anglosphere at large; rather than having negotiations and terms imposed by unelected EU bureacrats and their interpretation of the rules handed down, as if they were some great achievement of the EU’s!
The greatest change and benefit will be political, as we improve our democracy and self determination, with the ability to deselect and elect our own Government, with an improved Westminster structure, see >Harrogate Agenda<.
How we go about the process of disentangling our future wellbeing from the EU is laid out in extensive, well researched and immensely tedious detail see >FleXcit< or for a brief video summary CLICK HERE
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